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and choreography during the nearly three hour funeral service for hadiya pendleton. her casket at front of the greater harvest baptist church on the south side as mourners paid their respects. before the service, first lady michele obama spent about 30 minutes with pendleton's closest friends and relatives. mrs. obama then greeted the other dignitaries and leaders who attended the funeral. >>the most moving part of the service was the five minutes hadiya pendleton's mother spoke to the congregation: >>...you don't know everything, you don't know how hard this really is. and those of you that do no hard this is, i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> cleopatra pendleton smiled and laughed as she remembered her daughter. she also offered advice to other parents: >> it starts with the small things. when your children try to talk to you, listen. >>at the family's request, the focus of the service was on the life of hadiya pendleton. and not politics or gun-control. that's why significant time was given to her friends to offer their thoughts. >>we did everything together. there's a mil
and choreography during the nearly three hour funeral service for hadiya pendleton. her casket at front of the greater harvest baptist church on the south side as mourners paid their respects. before the service, first lady michele obama spent about 30 minutes with pendleton's closest friends and relatives. mrs. obama then greeted the other dignitaries and leaders who attended the funeral. >>the most moving part of the service was the five minutes hadiya pendleton's mother spoke to the...
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but is there enough political will to do what it would take to save the next hadiya pendleton? hadiya was most likely killed with a handgun in a city that has been reeling from gun violence, a city that is seeing its crime rate soar, specifically homicide. a city where roughly 90% of the near record number of homicides last year were gun-related. a city where local gun laws are only as strong as national gun laws. "the new york times" broke this down recently. of 50,000 guns traced by chicago police, more than half came from outside illinois. mostly from indiana, mississippi, and wisconsin. the second amendment means we have a right to bear arms. should it also mean that there is no place in our political dialogue about the factors that made hadiya pendleton's murder possible? is it impossible to talk about removing handguns from our streets? is that simply too extreme? our first lady is going to be in chicago tomorrow attending the funeral of a child killed by gun violence. chances are while she is there another mother is going to get a call about another child whose life was
but is there enough political will to do what it would take to save the next hadiya pendleton? hadiya was most likely killed with a handgun in a city that has been reeling from gun violence, a city that is seeing its crime rate soar, specifically homicide. a city where roughly 90% of the near record number of homicides last year were gun-related. a city where local gun laws are only as strong as national gun laws. "the new york times" broke this down recently. of 50,000 guns traced by...
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hadiya pendleton was killed days after marching in the inauguration parade. a $40,000 reward is being offered for information that could potentially lead to an arrest. and now to chile, where police say at least 12 people died today when a bus carrying fans of a popular soccer team ran off the road and dropped nearly 100 feet into a ravine. 22 others were injured. a police officer tells us the driver lost control of the bus. >>> and out there in the snow for us in the northeast the storm heading out to sea, not ashleigh banfield. shenise fairfield, connecticut, keeping track of what that storm has left behind. ashleigh? >> reporter: deb, i want you to look over my shoulder. see that white truck with the orange? it's a utility truck. he is the last in a convoy of about ten -- let me move out of the way of this guy. he is the last in a convoy of ten utility trucks that just turned the corner after sitting idle along a street over here for far longer than he should have. i talked to these crews -- i'm just watching because the traffic is skidding all over the pl
hadiya pendleton was killed days after marching in the inauguration parade. a $40,000 reward is being offered for information that could potentially lead to an arrest. and now to chile, where police say at least 12 people died today when a bus carrying fans of a popular soccer team ran off the road and dropped nearly 100 feet into a ravine. 22 others were injured. a police officer tells us the driver lost control of the bus. >>> and out there in the snow for us in the northeast the...
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. >> hadiya pendleton was shot in the back on tuesday as she and some friends gathered at this park on the way home from high school. targeted, police said, by a gunman who likely thought they were rival gang members trespassing on his turf. damon stewart is hadiya's godfather and a chicago policeman. >> wrong place, wrong time-- one individual walks in, and somebody does a shooting. nothing you can do about it. >> reporter: but the plan announced today to shift 200 police officers from desk jobs to street duty is one initiative designed to saturate gang- infested neighborhoods with law enforcement. >> as we grieve for hadiya, we need to work together to protect our greatest resource-- the children of the city of chicago. >> reporter: but earlier this month, the mayor admitted it will take more than flooding chicago with cops to stop the killing. >> there's an element to that. there's an element to people's sense of not having any sense of hope. but that doesn't dismiss or permit... >> reporter: or excuse. >> ... and excuse any sense of that violence. >> reporter: hadiya pendleton had
. >> hadiya pendleton was shot in the back on tuesday as she and some friends gathered at this park on the way home from high school. targeted, police said, by a gunman who likely thought they were rival gang members trespassing on his turf. damon stewart is hadiya's godfather and a chicago policeman. >> wrong place, wrong time-- one individual walks in, and somebody does a shooting. nothing you can do about it. >> reporter: but the plan announced today to shift 200 police...
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two reputed gang members accused of shooting and killing 15- year-old hadiya pendleton are scheduled to appear in court today for a bond hearing. 18-year-old micheail ward and 20-year-old kenneth williams are charged with hadiya pendleton's murder. police superintendent garry mccarthy says ward has confessed to pulling the trigger and williams is the accused getaway driver. detectives say the motive was revenge for a shooting back in july by a rival gang, in which williams was wounded. mccarthy says police made an arrest in that case, but williams refused to press charges. he says instead, on january 29th, ward and williams mistook hadiya pendleton and her friends for members of that rival gang and shot at them.. killing hadiya and injuring two others. rival gang goes and shoots girls? it was a volleyball team. it was not a rival gang thing. they were cowards. that is what you are. you're a coward. the chicago tribune reports ward was still on the street after he violated probation three times for break-ins and trespassing. in two of those cases the violations were never reported to
two reputed gang members accused of shooting and killing 15- year-old hadiya pendleton are scheduled to appear in court today for a bond hearing. 18-year-old micheail ward and 20-year-old kenneth williams are charged with hadiya pendleton's murder. police superintendent garry mccarthy says ward has confessed to pulling the trigger and williams is the accused getaway driver. detectives say the motive was revenge for a shooting back in july by a rival gang, in which williams was wounded. mccarthy...
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one of those we lost was a young girl named hadiya pendleton. she was 15 years old. she loved fig newtons. she was a majorette. she was so good to her friends they all thought they were her best friend. just three weeks ago she was here in washington with her classmates, performing for her country at my inauguration. and a week later she was shot and killed in a chicago park after school. just a mile away from my house. hadiya's parents, nate and cleo, are in this chamber tonight, along with more than two dozen americans whose lives have been torn apart by gun violence. they deserve a vote. [ applause ] they deserve a vote. they deserve a vote. gabby giffords deserves a vote. the families of newtown deserve a vote. the families of aurora deserve a vote. the families of oak creek and tucson and blacksburg and the countless other communities ripped open by gun violence, they deserve a simple vote. >> while the president was speaking, you could see a woman wiping her eyes and holding a picture of her son. that's caroline murray. she's from illinois. her son justin was s
one of those we lost was a young girl named hadiya pendleton. she was 15 years old. she loved fig newtons. she was a majorette. she was so good to her friends they all thought they were her best friend. just three weeks ago she was here in washington with her classmates, performing for her country at my inauguration. and a week later she was shot and killed in a chicago park after school. just a mile away from my house. hadiya's parents, nate and cleo, are in this chamber tonight, along with...
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hadiya pendleton will be buried in chicago today. we are taking a special look at the young life that ended all too soon. >>> opening day looks a lock way away as it is appearing this morning in boston. hello there, everybody. we are continuing to watch the blizzard. more live reports coming up just ahead. >>> in other news, michelle obama will attend today's funeral for hadiya pendleton, the student was gunned down a week after performing at president obama's inauguration. cnn's athena jones has more. >> reporter: first lady michelle obama is returning to her hometown to attend a funeral of 15-year-old hadiya pendleton. a bystander shot dead in a chicago park a week after she performed at the president's inauguration. vice president biden memorialized the young honor student in remarks to house democrats. >> this was no ordinary child. she was a child who had used social media urging her friends to speak out. don't join gangs. and now she's gone. >> pendleton was killed a mile from the first family's home in chicago. a city facing a
hadiya pendleton will be buried in chicago today. we are taking a special look at the young life that ended all too soon. >>> opening day looks a lock way away as it is appearing this morning in boston. hello there, everybody. we are continuing to watch the blizzard. more live reports coming up just ahead. >>> in other news, michelle obama will attend today's funeral for hadiya pendleton, the student was gunned down a week after performing at president obama's inauguration....
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and last month, 15-year-old hadiya pendleton, who had just performed during president obama's inauguration festivities in washington, was shot dead about a mile from the first family's chicago home. first lady michelle obama attended her funeral last weekend, and the president highlighted her death in his appeal for new gun laws in tuesday's state of the union address. >> hadiya's parents, nate and cleo, are in this chamber tonight, along with more than two dozen americans whose lives have been torn apart by gun violence. they deserve a vote. ( applause ) they deserve a vote. gabby giffords deserves a vote. the families of newtown deserve a vote. >> warner: echoes of the mass shootings in newtown also hung over a morning ceremony at the white house today, as mr. obama awarded presidential citizens medals. six of the 18 recipients were educators who died trying to protect students at sandy hook elementary school. to help put this in focus, we are joined by lynn sweet. she's a columnist and washington bureau chief for the "chicago sun-times," and has covered the windy city for decades. lynn,
and last month, 15-year-old hadiya pendleton, who had just performed during president obama's inauguration festivities in washington, was shot dead about a mile from the first family's chicago home. first lady michelle obama attended her funeral last weekend, and the president highlighted her death in his appeal for new gun laws in tuesday's state of the union address. >> hadiya's parents, nate and cleo, are in this chamber tonight, along with more than two dozen americans whose lives...
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the parents of hadiya pendleton will be among the guests of first lady michelle obama. she attended hadiya's funeral on saturday and police lieutenant brian murphy hit by 15 bullets responding to the temple shooting last august in wisconsin. newtown victims and first responders also there tonight including a teacher wounded but that survived and rocker turned activist ted nugent who was investigated by the secret service after telling an nra convention, quote, if barack obama's elected i'll be dead or in jail next year this time. he'll be the guest of texas congressman stockman and steve gutierrez a leading voice of immigration reform bringing undocumented immigrant, the south carolina husband and father of two where citizens and fighting deportation and speaker john boehner's guests are a small business owner and an ex-bat boy for the cincinnati reds. mark murray joining us. a guest list says a lot about anyone, having a party at the home or a state of the union. here we have the more controversial guest on the list, i think most people would agree is ted nugent. texas
the parents of hadiya pendleton will be among the guests of first lady michelle obama. she attended hadiya's funeral on saturday and police lieutenant brian murphy hit by 15 bullets responding to the temple shooting last august in wisconsin. newtown victims and first responders also there tonight including a teacher wounded but that survived and rocker turned activist ted nugent who was investigated by the secret service after telling an nra convention, quote, if barack obama's elected i'll be...
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the first lady was heart broken to learn about the death of hadiya pendleton, according to her office. she wanted to come here to this funeral today to offer her condolences to pendleton's family and loved ones. first lady michelle obama is returning to her hometown to attend the funeral of 15-year-old hadiya pendleton, a bystander shot dead in the chicago park a week after she performed at the president's inauguration. vice president biden memoriali e memorialized the young honor student in a speech to house democrats. >> this was no ordinary child. she was a child who had used social media, urging her friends to speak out, don't join gangs. and now she's -- >> we apologize for interrupting that report. mayor bloomberg of new york is speaking now on the blizzard. let's listen. >> the storm brought plenty of snow, about a foot in a lot of areas of new york city, but we certainly avoided the worst of it. and our thoughts go out to the people in connecticut and rhode island, massachusetts, new hampshire, vermont and maine. they've gotten an enormous amount of snow and their snow continu
the first lady was heart broken to learn about the death of hadiya pendleton, according to her office. she wanted to come here to this funeral today to offer her condolences to pendleton's family and loved ones. first lady michelle obama is returning to her hometown to attend the funeral of 15-year-old hadiya pendleton, a bystander shot dead in the chicago park a week after she performed at the president's inauguration. vice president biden memoriali e memorialized the young honor student in a...
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pendleton, a teenager who was shot and killed in chicago last month. and gabrielle giffords in this new anti-violence gun ad. >> take it from me, congress must act. let's get this done. >> reporter: following the president, its republicans chose marco rubio to deliver earth response in both spanish and english. of course, will be the president's cabinet. a lot of the new choices will not be there like the defense -- the person up for defense secretary, chuck hagel, but chuck hagel is a step closer tonight, brian. he got through a key committee and there might be a full vote on his confirmation by as early as thursday. >> chuck todd, we'll see more of you later tonight. thanks. >>> and let's bring in the rest of our team. we're joined by three former nbc news white house correspondents here in the studio, david gregory, andrea mitchell and savannah guthrie. not an attempt to make anybody feel old. david, we will start with you. what are you looking for tonight? >> this is ultimately about the economy. economic restoration is really what the president th
pendleton, a teenager who was shot and killed in chicago last month. and gabrielle giffords in this new anti-violence gun ad. >> take it from me, congress must act. let's get this done. >> reporter: following the president, its republicans chose marco rubio to deliver earth response in both spanish and english. of course, will be the president's cabinet. a lot of the new choices will not be there like the defense -- the person up for defense secretary, chuck hagel, but chuck hagel...
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hadiya pendleton had spoken out against people joining gangs. urged her friends to stay on the straight and narrow and not get involved with gangs. this is something that the vice president, vice president biden brought up about pendleton just a few days ago when he was speaking to house democrats. and it's something that makes it such a tragic situation that's too commanin cities like chicago and -- too common in cities like chicago and around the country. it's helped focus the nation's attention, not just people in chicago but the nation people in washington. that's why the first lady will be coming to the funeral service today along with senior adviser valerie jarrett and education secretary arnie dunken and mayor rahm emanuel. we just saw reverend jesse jackson arrive. this is becoming more of a symbolic event. certainly of important, great importance, the sadness to the pendleton family. but it's a way for the whole nation to focus on this issue of gun violence. martin? >> you mentioned that pendleton's family supports using her tragic deba
hadiya pendleton had spoken out against people joining gangs. urged her friends to stay on the straight and narrow and not get involved with gangs. this is something that the vice president, vice president biden brought up about pendleton just a few days ago when he was speaking to house democrats. and it's something that makes it such a tragic situation that's too commanin cities like chicago and -- too common in cities like chicago and around the country. it's helped focus the nation's...
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hadiya pendleton's parents will be there tonight. she's the chicago teen shot and killed days after returning from washington where she attended president obama's inauguration. the first lady attended her funeral and police just arrested two men and charged them with her murder. the men mistook her and her friends for rival gang members. >>> later this morning, a subcommittee will hold a hearing to discuss ways to reduce gun violence. that committee will review new proposals and look at the legality and effectiveness of current laws. two professors will testify today. the family of hadiya pendleton will be at that hearing before heading to the state of the union. >>> jury selection continues in the man accused fd killing a mother and daughter. jason scott killed delores and ebony dewitt more than three years ago. their bodies were found in the trunk of a burning car in largo. scott is serving 100 years in prison for a sex assault and other crimes. his trial could take a month or longer. >>> if you're just waking up this morning, a mu
hadiya pendleton's parents will be there tonight. she's the chicago teen shot and killed days after returning from washington where she attended president obama's inauguration. the first lady attended her funeral and police just arrested two men and charged them with her murder. the men mistook her and her friends for rival gang members. >>> later this morning, a subcommittee will hold a hearing to discuss ways to reduce gun violence. that committee will review new proposals and look...
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and gun violence victim hadiya pendleton is remembered at funeral services in chicago. those stories when the cbs evening news continues. so why treat it like it's a little cold? there's something that works differently than over-the-counter remedies. prescription tamiflu attacks the flu virus at its source. so don't wait. call your doctor right away. tamiflu is prescription medicine for treating the flu in adults and children one year and older whose flu symptoms started within the last two days. before taking tamiflu tell your doctor if you're pregnant, nursing. have serious health conditions, or take other medicines. if you develop an allergic reaction, a severe rash, or signs of unusual behavior stop taking tamiflu and call your doctor immediately. children and adolescents in particular may be at an increased risk of seizures, confusion or abnormal behavior. the most common side effects are mild to moderate nausea and vomiting. the flu comes on fast, so ask your doctor about tamiflu. prescription for flu. my bad. tell me you have good insurance. yup, i've got... [ v
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michelle obama will be joined about it parents of 15-year-old hadiya pendleton who was gunned down. two gang members were charged in the chicago honor student's murder. police say the gunmen mistook the teen's friend for a rival gang member. that's when they came upon them and opened fire. pendleton's father is ecstatic by the news of the arrest. he hopes the parents of other innocent victims never have to endure the same thing. >>> that other big story from overseas, leaders of the catholic church are going to be looking for a new pontiff after pope benedict announced yesterday he is stepping down. the decision stunned even his closest aides even though the 85-year-old hinted in the past that his age and waning strength could force him to resign. he was elected in 2005 and will stay on until february 28th. his plan to meet for that secret enclave to select a new leader. we have a report from vatican city. >> reporter: the day after the shocking announcement that he will resign on february 28th, more details are emerging about his decision. the vatican's own newspaper said that this
michelle obama will be joined about it parents of 15-year-old hadiya pendleton who was gunned down. two gang members were charged in the chicago honor student's murder. police say the gunmen mistook the teen's friend for a rival gang member. that's when they came upon them and opened fire. pendleton's father is ecstatic by the news of the arrest. he hopes the parents of other innocent victims never have to endure the same thing. >>> that other big story from overseas, leaders of the...
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pendleton in chicago. there is a news conference that is going to be taking place, and we will be joining that later on in this broadcast to bring you the very latest. >>> meanwhile, dick cheney is still whining about president obama's national security policies. this time cheney says that we are less safe because of the president's recent cabinet nominations. during a speech on saturday, cheney said, quote, the performance now of barack obama as he staffs up the national security team for the second term is dismal, frankly. what he has appointed are second-rate people. really? cheney says it's vital to national security that good folks hold positions like secretary of state, cia director, and secretary of defense. we can all be on board with that. first off, none of the president's nominees are second rate. we don't need to point out why everyone on the wall is qualified to serve as the president's national security team. meanwhile, let's look at a few bush/cheney dandies from their cabinets there is secr
pendleton in chicago. there is a news conference that is going to be taking place, and we will be joining that later on in this broadcast to bring you the very latest. >>> meanwhile, dick cheney is still whining about president obama's national security policies. this time cheney says that we are less safe because of the president's recent cabinet nominations. during a speech on saturday, cheney said, quote, the performance now of barack obama as he staffs up the national security team...
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today, n chicago, a 15-year-old hadiya pendleton will be buried. among her mourners, first lady michelle obama. pendleton was shot in the back and killed just days after she marched in the president's inaugural parade. >>> in los angeles, police are suddenly the targets of a man who used to wear the uniform. billboards are up as law enforcement agencies in three states hunt a former l.a. cop that's accused of killing an officer and threatening others. he says that he wants revenge on those who cost him his job. >>> police at the grammys will be on guard for their own safety since dorner's threats, but the show will go on. and a new name and suddenly a grammy favorite, singer frank ocean, had has surfaced. he has racked up six nominations including new artist of the year and album of the year. >>> the blizzard is still dumping snow across the northeast. some areas of connecticut are seeing as much as three feet of snow. the governor of connecticut orders all state roads closed until further notice or across the northeast, more than 650,000 customers
today, n chicago, a 15-year-old hadiya pendleton will be buried. among her mourners, first lady michelle obama. pendleton was shot in the back and killed just days after she marched in the president's inaugural parade. >>> in los angeles, police are suddenly the targets of a man who used to wear the uniform. billboards are up as law enforcement agencies in three states hunt a former l.a. cop that's accused of killing an officer and threatening others. he says that he wants revenge on...
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the death of 15-year-old hadiya pendleton has san a city where gang shootings are all too common. dean reynolds reports from chicago. >> reporter: they prayed today that the murder of hadiya pendleton may stop the carnage that grips chicago's poorest neighborhoods. her mother, chepatry cowley, is latest to express her grief. >> you don't know how hard this really is, and those of you that do know how hard this is, i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> reporter: first lady michelle obama, the mother of two daughters, was among the mourners for the girl who was literally her neighbor. she was killed last month a mile from the obamas' chicago home, eight days after performing at inaugural events in washington. >> god bless everyone today. >> reporter: as they prepared to bury her, hadiya's teenaged friends mourned the death of their shared dreams. >> she always told me to do my best in school because we were going to go to college together. >> reporter: police say they are making progress in the hunt for the shooter, most likely a gang member, and that prompted father michael flager to call for a
the death of 15-year-old hadiya pendleton has san a city where gang shootings are all too common. dean reynolds reports from chicago. >> reporter: they prayed today that the murder of hadiya pendleton may stop the carnage that grips chicago's poorest neighborhoods. her mother, chepatry cowley, is latest to express her grief. >> you don't know how hard this really is, and those of you that do know how hard this is, i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> reporter: first lady michelle obama,...
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pendleton. it clearly has been a difficult day for him. he hosted that ceremony for 18 civilians to receive that honor medal and relatives of those who were killed who were staff members at sandy hook elementary school. >> that's right. and he made sure at the top of his speech to emphasize how personal hadiya's death and the epidemic of violence in chicago is to him as someone who was raising girls in that town very close to where he's speaking within a mile of where hadiya was actually shot. that this is his hometown and he is with them. there have been calls for him for a while to come and speak in chicago and now that he's there, i think it is incredibly important to that community that he emphasize that he is with them, that he is of them, that he understands their struggles. >> john capehart, didn't you think as well he was making a connection with all of the things and issues that he raised in his state of the union, the minimum wage and how that impacts on families. preschool provision o
pendleton. it clearly has been a difficult day for him. he hosted that ceremony for 18 civilians to receive that honor medal and relatives of those who were killed who were staff members at sandy hook elementary school. >> that's right. and he made sure at the top of his speech to emphasize how personal hadiya's death and the epidemic of violence in chicago is to him as someone who was raising girls in that town very close to where he's speaking within a mile of where hadiya was actually...
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but...she says it is comforting to know police are making progress one day after hadiya pendleton was laid to rest. police say two persons of interest are being questioned. they were pulled over early this morning near 67th and south chicago. police say mayor rahm emanuel personally called hadiya's parents to share the news. they won't share their thoughts publicly until charges are officially filed. but shatira wilks...hadiya's cousin and the family's spokesperson... shared hers. if there's any truth to this it is comforting to know that one less killer is off the streets possibly. on tuesday hadiya's family will be in washington d-c invited guests for the president's state of the union address. and there's word from the white house... the president will take his policy proposals to the people..with 3 stops including one in chicago on friday where he'll talk about gun violence. some had called on the president to attend hadiya's funeral... but the first lady michelle obama came instead... along with hundreds of dignitaries, relatives and friends.. they packed a southside church to ca
but...she says it is comforting to know police are making progress one day after hadiya pendleton was laid to rest. police say two persons of interest are being questioned. they were pulled over early this morning near 67th and south chicago. police say mayor rahm emanuel personally called hadiya's parents to share the news. they won't share their thoughts publicly until charges are officially filed. but shatira wilks...hadiya's cousin and the family's spokesperson... shared hers. if there's...
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it's also near where hadiya pendleton was killed. you remember hadiya pendleton, the 15-year-old killed in chicago. her parents sitting next to the first lady during the state of the union. we talked to person arrested in that murder. his family members. michael ward accused of murdering hadiya pendleton. we talked about the gun problems in chicago. they say this has hurt everybody. they say they're heartbroken over the loss of hadiya. and they also believe if all the focus on michael and not a focus on the greater problem that this will be a loss. >> he is about to be the poster boy for gun violence. this is what he's about to be. and this is sad because, like she said, we have kids getting killed every day. every day. >> and they say that michael ward was a good kid. is a good kid. he's 18 years old. and the problem in this city is that these kids are out of control in these gangs. and this gun violence is just hurting everybody in these neighborhoods. they're hoping the president just by being here will extend this conversation th
it's also near where hadiya pendleton was killed. you remember hadiya pendleton, the 15-year-old killed in chicago. her parents sitting next to the first lady during the state of the union. we talked to person arrested in that murder. his family members. michael ward accused of murdering hadiya pendleton. we talked about the gun problems in chicago. they say this has hurt everybody. they say they're heartbroken over the loss of hadiya. and they also believe if all the focus on michael and not a...